In episode 9 of “Zebra Sisters,” a podcast about race relations hosted by columnist Mary Mitchell and former reporter Leslie Baldacci, the hosts discuss an incident of racial profiling at Chicago’s Water Tower Place.

The hosts are joined by two guests: Carla Hightower witnessed a group of black teenage boys being expelled, and Kevin Berry is an executive at General Growth Properties, which owns the mall.

After admitting wrongdoing, Berry shares steps the management company is taking to change policies and prevent racial profiling from happening again.

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Then, Mary and Leslie talk about implicit bias. The hosts describe how they’ve profiled people, and Mary talks about the shame she feels…