Host Perky interviews Joseph Williams a fellow graduate and classmate from Columbia University. Guest Joe emphasizes the role of a father in their child’s life, despite the circumstances, and the need to be resourceful simultaneously. Perky and joe speak on the power of having good women role models, the systems working against people of color, and how some mistakes seem to be a constant barrier. Yet, Perky and Joe barely tip the iceberg and may need to do a part two! So subscribe and follow!!

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